1. Isa Bela2019/11/23 17:48
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Hello!
How you doing?
You know, I am trying to get the English translation of this ghazal, but I can't find it on the online resource for Gibb.
Would that be a nuisance if I ask you if you can post the original, maybe a picture if you have the book?
Thank you so much!
2. * (sergeevna2@yandex.ru) 2019/11/23 18:48
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>>1.Isa Bela
>Hello!
Hello, nice to see you again here!
>Would that be a nuisance if I ask you if you can post the original, maybe a picture if you have the book?
I have the book, but it's quite difficult to take photos of all the pages you need. There're more than 600 pages in the book, and the English part is about 200 pages.
I do not have special equipment for making copies, but I can make photos of some pages which are the most important for you.
3. Bella2019/11/23 19:08
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>>2.Лыжина Светлана Сергеевна
>>>1.Isa Bela
>>Hello!
>Hello, nice to see you again here!
>
>>Would that be a nuisance if I ask you if you can post the original, maybe a picture if you have the book?
>I have the book, but it's quite difficult to take photos of all the pages you need. There're more than 600 pages in the book, and the English part is about 200 pages.
>I do not have special equipment for making copies, but I can make photos of some pages which are the most important for you.
Hiii!
Been Very Busy with other academic & personal stuff.... But since May I have the Nur Dogan's book with Mehmed's diwan!
As for my request, I only need the ghazal you posted here (In Google Translator, " souls tremble if in the morning breeze...)
God Forbid if I'd ask you to take 200 pictures LOL!!
4. (sergeevna2@yandex.ru) 2019/11/23 22:22
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>>3.Bella
>>>2.Лыжина Светлана Сергеевна
>>>>1.Isa Bela
>Hiii!
>Been Very Busy with other academic & personal stuff.... But since May I have the Nur Dogan's book with Mehmed's diwan!
Oh! Sorry)) I don't know why... but I thought that you were talking about Nur Dogan's book))
I have Gibb's book too.
>As for my request, I only need the ghazal you posted here (In Google Translator, " souls tremble if in the morning breeze...)
This ghazal is at the page 46.
Here is Gibb's translation.
Souls are fluttered when the morning breezes through thy tresses stray;
Waving cypresses are wildered when thy motions they survey.
Since with witchcraft thou hast whetted keen the lancet of thy glance,
All my veins are bleeding inward through my longing and dismay.
"Why across thy cheek disordered float thy tresses?" asked I her.
"It is Rum-Eyli; there high-starred heroes gallop," did she say.
Thought I, though I spake not: "In thy quarter, through thy tint and scent,
Wretched and head-giddy, wand'ring, those who hope not for stray."
"Whence the anger in thy glances, O sweet love?" I said; then she:
"Silence! surely if I shed blood, I the ensigns should display."
Even as thou sighest, 'Avni, shower thine eyes tears fast as rain,
Like as follow hard the thunder-roll the floods in dread array.
As for the book itself, you still can get it if you search by Google "Souls are fluttered when the morning breezes through thy tresses stray" (the phrase must be in quotation marks), find the webpage and click "saved copy"
5. Isa Bela2019/11/23 22:29
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>>4.Лыжина Светлана Сергеевна
>>>3.Bella
>>>>2.Лыжина Светлана Сергеевна
>>Hiii!
>>Been Very Busy with other academic & personal stuff.... But since May I have the Nur Dogan's book with Mehmed's diwan!
>
>Oh! Sorry)) I don't know why... but I thought that you were talking about Nur Dogan's book))
>
I have it! Got it from Amazon, coming aaall the way from Turkey :)
>I have Gibb's book too.
>
>Souls are fluttered when the morning breezes through thy tresses stray;
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Ah, thank you so very much for your trouble & kindness! I tried to find it early today, but Google TRanslator gave me an incorrect first verse. Now I could find the online resource!!
It is a lovely ghazal.
>As for the book itself, you still can get it if you search by Google "Souls are fluttered when the morning breezes through thy tresses stray" (the phrase must be in quotation marks), find the webpage and click "saved copy"
I tried, it is under maintenance today. I will check in later.
Thank you again!
6. (sergeevna2@yandex.ru) 2019/11/24 01:01
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>>5.Isa Bela
>>>4.Лыжина Светлана Сергеевна
>>>>3.Bella
>I tried, it is under maintenance today. I will check in later.
>Thank you again!
A think, it's OK now))
7. (sergeevna2@yandex.ru) 2019/11/24 01:06
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>>5.Isa Bela
>>>4.Лыжина Светлана Сергеевна
>>>>3.Bella
>I tried, it is under maintenance today. I will check in later.
>Thank you again!
The book is available not only in Google cache. It's available at the website too.
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>The book is available not only in Google cache. It's available at the website too.
>
>
Wow, thank you! The whole file is priceless!
The one I found last week through Google is a different one. Maybe it could interest you.
"History of the Ottoman Literature"
Incidently, have you ever found the word "êflak" in Mehmed's Ghazals? I did notice it twice only. It means "heavens", "skies".
It also means "Wallachia" in Ott. Turkish.
^^
9. Isa Bela2019/11/26 00:32
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You mention the use of "tresses", used for women. But "Zülfüna < Zülfün" means "hair" (check the opening line in Ott.). And if you replace "braids" with "hair" or "locks", the metric is just not good. *Maybe* that's why Gibb used "tresses" instead.
And the talking about "blood" and the consequent displaying of "ensigns" (blood and flags are too war-ish, aren't they?) gives me the impression that the "she" was actually a "he".
10. * (sergeevna2@yandex.ru) 2019/11/27 17:45
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>>9.Isa Bela
>"Zülfüna < Zülfün" means "hair"
My dictionary says that this word in Turkish poetry means "the hair of the beloved woman". I can't check this information.
The fact is that the beloved person in the poem can be a young man, beautiful as a woman, or a young woman.
Any variant is possible and it's quite difficult to say what happened to Avni. Was he at a secret date in the garden at night? Or was that date at the daytime? Maybe nobody needed to keep it in secret...